UEFA CL final between OL feminin and FFC Frankfurt

Bajramaj is out. That means OL will not have to deal with the triangle of Bajramaj, Marozsan and Behringer. Thomis will not be in, but Schelin looks ready to score goals and supported by Sommer, Abily, and Cruz, it should be easy enough. Not to mention, Necib might be on the bench waiting to come on and devastate Frankfurt. So, it is all for OL to win and would be the second part of the Treble. I missed the Coupe de France final unfortunately so I didn't get to see Otaki play, but OL have the depth and that is a key to victory. Once again, when I look at OL's depth and the quality of players it goes back to the reality that OL is treating womens soccer seriously and many other clubs are not.

Juvisy and FFC Frankfurt don't count, these clubs started as womens clubs. But, Man United, Man City, AC Milan, Real Madrid, where are their womens sides?OL is doing the right things just before this sunrise of a new day in womens soccer which I see as inevitable.

Thomis can't play in the final but OL have the depth to do this and I see it as their game too lose.

If I get to see the UEFA CL final I will definitely have coverage on it.

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Permalink Reply by 2xehxtxemyk65 on May 14, 2012 at 22:21

Man Untd infamously closed down their ladies´ side in 2005. As far as I know they have not restarted one. On the other hand, when Chelsea Ladies got into financial difficulties a couple of years ago, John Terry (of all people) allegedly put up some money and other men players followed suit so the ladies´ affairs could be regulated. Otherwise a famous British team are the legendary Doncaster Belles, Doncaster else in sport being most known for the St Leger, one of the five classic flat-races in the calendar of the Jockey Club.

Regarding Italy I am not an expert but I sem to remember ACF Milan winning the feminin liga not so long ago. I do not know if Inter has a ladies side. Barcelona and Atletico Bilbao have ladies´ teams. But the Brazilian side Santos dumped their women side to meet the salary demands of their male players, allegedly.

Permalink Reply by Richard Murray on May 14, 2012 at 23:45

Finances are tough, I think having womens sides prove what mens sides are financially more fit or who have investors ready for the long haul in the womens game.

Man United as you know have funny finances, so do Real Madrid. Brazil's problem is cultural. Everyone loves soccer in Brazil and loves to play it, but it is viewed by many as the providence of men.

the problem with Brazil soccer goes back to what makes the mens good, state leagues. Brazil keeps trying to start a serie a instead of starting state leagues like for the men.

Lars Breimer said:

Man Untd infamously closed down their ladies´ side in 2005. As far as I know they have not restarted one. On the other hand, when Chelsea Ladies got into financial difficulties a couple of years ago, John Terry (of all people) allegedly put up some money and other men players followed suit so the ladies´ affairs could be regulated. Otherwise a famous British team are the legendary Doncaster Belles, Doncaster else in sport being most known for the St Leger, one of the five classic flat-races in the calendar of the Jockey Club.

Regarding Italy I am not an expert but I sem to remember ACF Milan winning the feminin liga not so long ago. I do not know if Inter has a ladies side. Barcelona and Atletico Bilbao have ladies´ teams. But the Brazilian side Santos dumped their women side to meet the salary demands of their male players, allegedly.

Permalink Reply by 2xehxtxemyk65 on May 15, 2012 at 5:54

The Brazilian attitude seems pretty universal. Name women sports-personalities and they are all in individual sports: the Williams sisters, Vonn, the two Magdalenas, Sörenstam, Ochoa, Kalla etc. One, possibly the main, reason why Korean ladies are big in golf is that the top dozen tournaments in Korea have equal prize money for ladies as for men, so it is really worth Korean girls going at it. Likewise, the prize money (but clearly not the sponsorship deals) are identical in skiing -- alpine, x-country and shooting (biathlon) -- and for most tennis tournaments.

The audiences at football matches differ, at least in Europe, between the men´s matches and the ladies´. Briefly, the men´s matches are a tribal get-together while the ladies´ matches are more of a picnic for family and friends. The football federations seem not to have taken this on board but maybe they are starting to? How are the audiences in USA composed?

Richard Murray said:

Finances are tough, I think having womens sides prove what mens sides are financially more fit or who have investors ready for the long haul in the womens game.

Man United as you know have funny finances, so do Real Madrid. Brazil's problem is cultural. Everyone loves soccer in Brazil and loves to play it, but it is viewed by many as the providence of men.

the problem with Brazil soccer goes back to what makes the mens good, state leagues. Brazil keeps trying to start a serie a instead of starting state leagues like for the men.

Lars Breimer said:

Man Untd infamously closed down their ladies´ side in 2005. As far as I know they have not restarted one. On the other hand, when Chelsea Ladies got into financial difficulties a couple of years ago, John Terry (of all people) allegedly put up some money and other men players followed suit so the ladies´ affairs could be regulated. Otherwise a famous British team are the legendary Doncaster Belles, Doncaster else in sport being most known for the St Leger, one of the five classic flat-races in the calendar of the Jockey Club.

Regarding Italy I am not an expert but I sem to remember ACF Milan winning the feminin liga not so long ago. I do not know if Inter has a ladies side. Barcelona and Atletico Bilbao have ladies´ teams. But the Brazilian side Santos dumped their women side to meet the salary demands of their male players, allegedly.

Permalink Reply by Richard Murray on May 15, 2012 at 18:27

@Lars 100 years ago, mens matches were get togethers. Juventus wasn't tribal when they started. Nor was Liverpool. It takes time to get tribal. Dallas Cowboys, Yankees they were not tribally loved when they started, they were more a family thing, but as time and trophies picked up.

Audience in USA are mostly family, some teams try and have that tribal feel, but it will take time, no team ever started out with a tribal feel.

Lars Breimer said:

The Brazilian attitude seems pretty universal. Name women sports-personalities and they are all in individual sports: the Williams sisters, Vonn, the two Magdalenas, Sörenstam, Ochoa, Kalla etc. One, possibly the main, reason why Korean ladies are big in golf is that the top dozen tournaments in Korea have equal prize money for ladies as for men, so it is really worth Korean girls going at it. Likewise, the prize money (but clearly not the sponsorship deals) are identical in skiing -- alpine, x-country and shooting (biathlon) -- and for most tennis tournaments.

The audiences at football matches differ, at least in Europe, between the men´s matches and the ladies´. Briefly, the men´s matches are a tribal get-together while the ladies´ matches are more of a picnic for family and friends. The football federations seem not to have taken this on board but maybe they are starting to? How are the audiences in USA composed?

Richard Murray said:

Finances are tough, I think having womens sides prove what mens sides are financially more fit or who have investors ready for the long haul in the womens game.

Man United as you know have funny finances, so do Real Madrid. Brazil's problem is cultural. Everyone loves soccer in Brazil and loves to play it, but it is viewed by many as the providence of men.

the problem with Brazil soccer goes back to what makes the mens good, state leagues. Brazil keeps trying to start a serie a instead of starting state leagues like for the men.

Lars Breimer said:

Man Untd infamously closed down their ladies´ side in 2005. As far as I know they have not restarted one. On the other hand, when Chelsea Ladies got into financial difficulties a couple of years ago, John Terry (of all people) allegedly put up some money and other men players followed suit so the ladies´ affairs could be regulated. Otherwise a famous British team are the legendary Doncaster Belles, Doncaster else in sport being most known for the St Leger, one of the five classic flat-races in the calendar of the Jockey Club.

Regarding Italy I am not an expert but I sem to remember ACF Milan winning the feminin liga not so long ago. I do not know if Inter has a ladies side. Barcelona and Atletico Bilbao have ladies´ teams. But the Brazilian side Santos dumped their women side to meet the salary demands of their male players, allegedly.

Permalink Reply by 2xehxtxemyk65 on May 15, 2012 at 18:42

Who has earned more money? Steffi Graf or her husband André Agassi? Whom do people recognise waiting for their luggage at the carousel?

The great team in Turin was Torino AC, not Juventus. But in 1949 the Superga air disaster wiped out the team. Turin could only field a youth side for the rest of the season but the opposition teams answered by fielding their youth sides! That great Torino team is considered to have invented Total Football 20 years before the Dutch found it.

Liverpool´s ascendancy is linked to the appointment of Bill Shankly. Weeds grew on the practice pitch but the man who is remembered for the quote -- "Football is not a matter of life and death; it is more important than that" -- dug deep, and his successors Fagan and Paisley took the club to even higher heights. Arsenal is famous for its ground never being fenced. The Gunners´ crowds were always well behaved. Tribal is as tribal can be.

It makes no sense for ladies´ football to emulate the tribal thing. Instead, they ought to build on the family entertinment side. A great day out for the family. The family that watches soccer together, stays together. etc etc.

Richard Murray said:

@Lars 100 years ago, mens matches were get togethers. Juventus wasn't tribal when they started. Nor was Liverpool. It takes time to get tribal. Dallas Cowboys, Yankees they were not tribally loved when they started, they were more a family thing, but as time and trophies picked up.

Audience in USA are mostly family, some teams try and have that tribal feel, but it will take time, no team ever started out with a tribal feel.

Lars Breimer said:

The Brazilian attitude seems pretty universal. Name women sports-personalities and they are all in individual sports: the Williams sisters, Vonn, the two Magdalenas, Sörenstam, Ochoa, Kalla etc. One, possibly the main, reason why Korean ladies are big in golf is that the top dozen tournaments in Korea have equal prize money for ladies as for men, so it is really worth Korean girls going at it. Likewise, the prize money (but clearly not the sponsorship deals) are identical in skiing -- alpine, x-country and shooting (biathlon) -- and for most tennis tournaments.

The audiences at football matches differ, at least in Europe, between the men´s matches and the ladies´. Briefly, the men´s matches are a tribal get-together while the ladies´ matches are more of a picnic for family and friends. The football federations seem not to have taken this on board but maybe they are starting to? How are the audiences in USA composed?

Richard Murray said:

Finances are tough, I think having womens sides prove what mens sides are financially more fit or who have investors ready for the long haul in the womens game.

Man United as you know have funny finances, so do Real Madrid. Brazil's problem is cultural. Everyone loves soccer in Brazil and loves to play it, but it is viewed by many as the providence of men.

the problem with Brazil soccer goes back to what makes the mens good, state leagues. Brazil keeps trying to start a serie a instead of starting state leagues like for the men.

Lars Breimer said:

Man Untd infamously closed down their ladies´ side in 2005. As far as I know they have not restarted one. On the other hand, when Chelsea Ladies got into financial difficulties a couple of years ago, John Terry (of all people) allegedly put up some money and other men players followed suit so the ladies´ affairs could be regulated. Otherwise a famous British team are the legendary Doncaster Belles, Doncaster else in sport being most known for the St Leger, one of the five classic flat-races in the calendar of the Jockey Club.

Regarding Italy I am not an expert but I sem to remember ACF Milan winning the feminin liga not so long ago. I do not know if Inter has a ladies side. Barcelona and Atletico Bilbao have ladies´ teams. But the Brazilian side Santos dumped their women side to meet the salary demands of their male players, allegedly.

Permalink Reply by Richard Murray on May 15, 2012 at 22:43

I know Agassi earned more career money but I think , i am not sure, he earned more advertising money than Steffi Graf.

your right, I apologize, about Turin FC but look at Turin now and look at Juventus. And your right, Turin did, but it didn't have that catchy title or that appeal. I think turin played to their strengths, I wish more people would call it that, not every club should play that style with the pieces they have.

We shall see where womens clubs go.I think in 25 years OL feminin, DC United womens, Turbine Potsdam, Arsenal Ladies will each have their own cultures and we will sit back during these times and laught at the early days

Lars Breimer said:

Who has earned more money? Steffi Graf or her husband André Agassi? Whom do people recognise waiting for their luggage at the carousel?

The great team in Turin was Torino AC, not Juventus. But in 1949 the Superga air disaster wiped out the team. Turin could only field a youth side for the rest of the season but the opposition teams answered by fielding their youth sides! That great Torino team is considered to have invented Total Football 20 years before the Dutch found it.

Liverpool´s ascendancy is linked to the appointment of Bill Shankly. Weeds grew on the practice pitch but the man who is remembered for the quote -- "Football is not a matter of life and death; it is more important than that" -- dug deep, and his successors Fagan and Paisley took the club to even higher heights. Arsenal is famous for its ground never being fenced. The Gunners´ crowds were always well behaved. Tribal is as tribal can be.

It makes no sense for ladies´ football to emulate the tribal thing. Instead, they ought to build on the family entertinment side. A great day out for the family. The family that watches soccer together, stays together. etc etc.

Richard Murray said:

@Lars 100 years ago, mens matches were get togethers. Juventus wasn't tribal when they started. Nor was Liverpool. It takes time to get tribal. Dallas Cowboys, Yankees they were not tribally loved when they started, they were more a family thing, but as time and trophies picked up.

Audience in USA are mostly family, some teams try and have that tribal feel, but it will take time, no team ever started out with a tribal feel.

Lars Breimer said:

The Brazilian attitude seems pretty universal. Name women sports-personalities and they are all in individual sports: the Williams sisters, Vonn, the two Magdalenas, Sörenstam, Ochoa, Kalla etc. One, possibly the main, reason why Korean ladies are big in golf is that the top dozen tournaments in Korea have equal prize money for ladies as for men, so it is really worth Korean girls going at it. Likewise, the prize money (but clearly not the sponsorship deals) are identical in skiing -- alpine, x-country and shooting (biathlon) -- and for most tennis tournaments.

The audiences at football matches differ, at least in Europe, between the men´s matches and the ladies´. Briefly, the men´s matches are a tribal get-together while the ladies´ matches are more of a picnic for family and friends. The football federations seem not to have taken this on board but maybe they are starting to? How are the audiences in USA composed?

Richard Murray said:

Finances are tough, I think having womens sides prove what mens sides are financially more fit or who have investors ready for the long haul in the womens game.

Man United as you know have funny finances, so do Real Madrid. Brazil's problem is cultural. Everyone loves soccer in Brazil and loves to play it, but it is viewed by many as the providence of men.

the problem with Brazil soccer goes back to what makes the mens good, state leagues. Brazil keeps trying to start a serie a instead of starting state leagues like for the men.

Lars Breimer said:

Man Untd infamously closed down their ladies´ side in 2005. As far as I know they have not restarted one. On the other hand, when Chelsea Ladies got into financial difficulties a couple of years ago, John Terry (of all people) allegedly put up some money and other men players followed suit so the ladies´ affairs could be regulated. Otherwise a famous British team are the legendary Doncaster Belles, Doncaster else in sport being most known for the St Leger, one of the five classic flat-races in the calendar of the Jockey Club.

Regarding Italy I am not an expert but I sem to remember ACF Milan winning the feminin liga not so long ago. I do not know if Inter has a ladies side. Barcelona and Atletico Bilbao have ladies´ teams. But the Brazilian side Santos dumped their women side to meet the salary demands of their male players, allegedly.

Permalink Reply by Richard Murray on May 17, 2012 at 22:10

OL player of the game?

I say Wendie Renard, what say you?

Permalink Reply by 2xehxtxemyk65 on May 18, 2012 at 5:23

Verily. Absolutely. Spot on. Renard was a rock in defense and came forward in attack but always remembered to get back.

I gather they are planning a 6 hour party in Lyon on Sunday to celebrate. Frankfurt, on the other hand, do not get to play in the CL next season.

Any more news of the location of next season´s final? Italy? Spain? Moscow?

Richard Murray said:

OL player of the game?

I say Wendie Renard, what say you?

Permalink Reply by Richard Murray on May 18, 2012 at 18:48

No London for certain. For OL's sake I hope they can keep this quality up for two seasons. if OL win next season that might be enough to get a final in France, which OL has earned. but, will OL be still so dominant in two seasons. UEFA womens soccer is growing.

Lars Breimer said:

Verily. Absolutely. Spot on. Renard was a rock in defense and came forward in attack but always remembered to get back.

I gather they are planning a 6 hour party in Lyon on Sunday to celebrate. Frankfurt, on the other hand, do not get to play in the CL next season.

Any more news of the location of next season´s final? Italy? Spain? Moscow?

Richard Murray said:

OL player of the game?

I say Wendie Renard, what say you?

Permalink Reply by 2xehxtxemyk65 on May 18, 2012 at 18:58

How long is a piece of string?

Richard Murray said:

No London for certain. For OL's sake I hope they can keep this quality up for two seasons. if OL win next season that might be enough to get a final in France, which OL has earned. but, will OL be still so dominant in two seasons. UEFA womens soccer is growing.

Lars Breimer said:

Verily. Absolutely. Spot on. Renard was a rock in defense and came forward in attack but always remembered to get back.

I gather they are planning a 6 hour party in Lyon on Sunday to celebrate. Frankfurt, on the other hand, do not get to play in the CL next season.

Any more news of the location of next season´s final? Italy? Spain? Moscow?

Richard Murray said:

OL player of the game?

I say Wendie Renard, what say you?

Permalink Reply by Richard Murray on May 18, 2012 at 19:46

:)

Lars Breimer said:

How long is a piece of string?

Richard Murray said:

No London for certain. For OL's sake I hope they can keep this quality up for two seasons. if OL win next season that might be enough to get a final in France, which OL has earned. but, will OL be still so dominant in two seasons. UEFA womens soccer is growing.

Lars Breimer said:

Verily. Absolutely. Spot on. Renard was a rock in defense and came forward in attack but always remembered to get back.

I gather they are planning a 6 hour party in Lyon on Sunday to celebrate. Frankfurt, on the other hand, do not get to play in the CL next season.

Any more news of the location of next season´s final? Italy? Spain? Moscow?

Richard Murray said:

OL player of the game?

I say Wendie Renard, what say you?