Women's DFB Cup Final 2012: FC Bayern München v 1. FFC Frankfurt

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Permalink Reply by 2xehxtxemyk65 on May 17, 2012 at 20:01

Verily.  It would be good for the game if either France or Gbr (= England) won, Japan next.

Richard Murray said:

Japan france is the matchup. I think France takees it.

Lars Breimer said:

I presume their foreign players likely are looking forward to the Olympics also.  Sweden has a major headache because several of their key defenders and defensive midfielders are injured and not expected to tbe fit for the Olympics.  I predict an early exit for Sweden, probably quarterfinals. Japan-Gbr (ie England) or USA-Gbr would be best because the hometeam is fun to have in a final, but failing that Japan-USA would be OK, though, maybe Japan-France would be even better?

Richard Murray said:

OL feminin has a lot of French players, that is unfair. Franco, Abily, Sommer, Thomis will be out for red card. NEcib might start on the bench. They have depth in non french players which is very important because the french players are looking toward the olympics.

His name is MArkus Juchem a really cool guy

https://twitter.com/#!/UEFAcomMarkusJ

Lars Breimer said:

Indeed.  French teams generally find German teams difficult to play against, though with Lyon being such a foreign legion this may not be an issue. On the other hand, it is fun for FFFC to be the underdogs and they are on, almost, home turf -- though Bayern is Germany´s answer to Texas if you get my drift.

Our next task ought to be to get a thorough discussion thread going about ways to develop the ladies´ game with practical suggestions, but judging by the activity in these pages that may be harder than one would like to think.  That German link you sent is a model of reporting. Do you know who edits and runs it?

Richard Murray said:

we shall see:) I hope it is a big game

Lars Breimer said:

I cannot help you.  According to Wikipedia she is from Coopersburg in PA. She has a better known American team-mate in Frankfurt called Alexandra Krieger.  As far as I can tell the two Lewandowskis are not closely related, but a lot of Poles settled in PA, so anything is possible if you go far enough back.

As I see it, if USA ladies football plays its cards right, it could have the role that the NHL has for (ice)hockey. The NHL acts as a magnet for every young boy who is good at hockey in Europe. Ever since Sterner and then Salming opened the doors for non-North-American players, there has been a steady stream of European players to play in the NHL. Names like Persson and Kallur who helped the Islanders win four Stanley cups and a play a fifth final are legendary as are others with strange names like Loob, Sundin and the Sedin brothers, never to forget Foppa.

Would that the ladies´ soccer world girds itself for the task that lies ahead.  Identify the market. Segment it. Target the most promising segment(s).

-- Just over 1.4M people live in Munich so even if the Olympic stadium is totally sold out, it represents <10% of all women living there and <5% of those old and fit enough to take themselves to the match.

-- The most expensive tickets are 10€ each, the rest 7€, and a family ticket of 2 adults + 2 kids is 20€. 25 USD for a family!

-- It is meant to be a perfect day for football tomorrow and the world´s best two clubs are playing, one of which is from Germany.  

In short, if the Olympic stadium is not full tomorrow, the marketeers have failed and UEFA need to bring another team on board, such as perhaps those that so expertly marketed Gold-Lena.

Richard Murray said:

Well, you have to realize that the club owners and USSoccer and others may look poorly on her because she is successful overseas. I think many want to focus on players developed in the USA, and especially playing for teams in the USA. Abby wambach, hope solo and company all play in the USA. They fear a player like Lewandowski will get people thinking about playing in UEFA and thus strengthening those clubs.

I was thinking a while back but didn't think it mattered, but is Lewandowski related in any way to LEwandowski for dortmund?

Lars Breimer said:

An amusing post-script to this or a prequel to tomorrows final was a headline in one of the German papers that read: "Lewandowski moves to Bayern Munich".  What?!!  He plays for Dortmund, surely, and no-one had heard even a rumour that he was on the move.  It turned out to be Gina Loren Lewandowski, who was moving from Frankfurt to Bayern allegedly.

This young American lady has won the CL, the German Cup and the German Ladies´ Bundesliga with Frankfurt, but not played that much for the USA´s national team.

Permalink Reply by Richard Murray on May 17, 2012 at 22:08

In all earnest, Japan, France, and England should be the favorites. Japan is on a high. France probably has the best squad on talent. England are at home and will fight for everything.
It should be good.

Lars Breimer said:

Verily.  It would be good for the game if either France or Gbr (= England) won, Japan next.

Richard Murray said:

Japan france is the matchup. I think France takees it.

Lars Breimer said:

I presume their foreign players likely are looking forward to the Olympics also.  Sweden has a major headache because several of their key defenders and defensive midfielders are injured and not expected to tbe fit for the Olympics.  I predict an early exit for Sweden, probably quarterfinals. Japan-Gbr (ie England) or USA-Gbr would be best because the hometeam is fun to have in a final, but failing that Japan-USA would be OK, though, maybe Japan-France would be even better?

Richard Murray said:

OL feminin has a lot of French players, that is unfair. Franco, Abily, Sommer, Thomis will be out for red card. NEcib might start on the bench. They have depth in non french players which is very important because the french players are looking toward the olympics.

His name is MArkus Juchem a really cool guy

https://twitter.com/#!/UEFAcomMarkusJ

Lars Breimer said:

Indeed.  French teams generally find German teams difficult to play against, though with Lyon being such a foreign legion this may not be an issue. On the other hand, it is fun for FFFC to be the underdogs and they are on, almost, home turf -- though Bayern is Germany´s answer to Texas if you get my drift.

Our next task ought to be to get a thorough discussion thread going about ways to develop the ladies´ game with practical suggestions, but judging by the activity in these pages that may be harder than one would like to think.  That German link you sent is a model of reporting. Do you know who edits and runs it?

Richard Murray said:

we shall see:) I hope it is a big game

Lars Breimer said:

I cannot help you.  According to Wikipedia she is from Coopersburg in PA. She has a better known American team-mate in Frankfurt called Alexandra Krieger.  As far as I can tell the two Lewandowskis are not closely related, but a lot of Poles settled in PA, so anything is possible if you go far enough back.

As I see it, if USA ladies football plays its cards right, it could have the role that the NHL has for (ice)hockey. The NHL acts as a magnet for every young boy who is good at hockey in Europe. Ever since Sterner and then Salming opened the doors for non-North-American players, there has been a steady stream of European players to play in the NHL. Names like Persson and Kallur who helped the Islanders win four Stanley cups and a play a fifth final are legendary as are others with strange names like Loob, Sundin and the Sedin brothers, never to forget Foppa.

Would that the ladies´ soccer world girds itself for the task that lies ahead.  Identify the market. Segment it. Target the most promising segment(s).

-- Just over 1.4M people live in Munich so even if the Olympic stadium is totally sold out, it represents <10% of all women living there and <5% of those old and fit enough to take themselves to the match.

-- The most expensive tickets are 10€ each, the rest 7€, and a family ticket of 2 adults + 2 kids is 20€. 25 USD for a family!

-- It is meant to be a perfect day for football tomorrow and the world´s best two clubs are playing, one of which is from Germany.  

In short, if the Olympic stadium is not full tomorrow, the marketeers have failed and UEFA need to bring another team on board, such as perhaps those that so expertly marketed Gold-Lena.

Richard Murray said:

Well, you have to realize that the club owners and USSoccer and others may look poorly on her because she is successful overseas. I think many want to focus on players developed in the USA, and especially playing for teams in the USA. Abby wambach, hope solo and company all play in the USA. They fear a player like Lewandowski will get people thinking about playing in UEFA and thus strengthening those clubs.

I was thinking a while back but didn't think it mattered, but is Lewandowski related in any way to LEwandowski for dortmund?

Lars Breimer said:

An amusing post-script to this or a prequel to tomorrows final was a headline in one of the German papers that read: "Lewandowski moves to Bayern Munich".  What?!!  He plays for Dortmund, surely, and no-one had heard even a rumour that he was on the move.  It turned out to be Gina Loren Lewandowski, who was moving from Frankfurt to Bayern allegedly.

This young American lady has won the CL, the German Cup and the German Ladies´ Bundesliga with Frankfurt, but not played that much for the USA´s national team.

Permalink Reply by 2xehxtxemyk65 on May 18, 2012 at 5:19

Verily. But, maybe, one of the small fry will upset the apple cart, like North Korea in 1966. A critical question for the future of the game world wide is whether it would be better if USA won or went out early?

Richard Murray said:

In all earnest, Japan, France, and England should be the favorites. Japan is on a high. France probably has the best squad on talent. England are at home and will fight for everything.
It should be good.

Lars Breimer said:

Verily.  It would be good for the game if either France or Gbr (= England) won, Japan next.

Richard Murray said:

Japan france is the matchup. I think France takees it.

Lars Breimer said:

I presume their foreign players likely are looking forward to the Olympics also.  Sweden has a major headache because several of their key defenders and defensive midfielders are injured and not expected to tbe fit for the Olympics.  I predict an early exit for Sweden, probably quarterfinals. Japan-Gbr (ie England) or USA-Gbr would be best because the hometeam is fun to have in a final, but failing that Japan-USA would be OK, though, maybe Japan-France would be even better?

Richard Murray said:

OL feminin has a lot of French players, that is unfair. Franco, Abily, Sommer, Thomis will be out for red card. NEcib might start on the bench. They have depth in non french players which is very important because the french players are looking toward the olympics.

His name is MArkus Juchem a really cool guy

https://twitter.com/#!/UEFAcomMarkusJ

Lars Breimer said:

Indeed.  French teams generally find German teams difficult to play against, though with Lyon being such a foreign legion this may not be an issue. On the other hand, it is fun for FFFC to be the underdogs and they are on, almost, home turf -- though Bayern is Germany´s answer to Texas if you get my drift.

Our next task ought to be to get a thorough discussion thread going about ways to develop the ladies´ game with practical suggestions, but judging by the activity in these pages that may be harder than one would like to think.  That German link you sent is a model of reporting. Do you know who edits and runs it?

Richard Murray said:

we shall see:) I hope it is a big game

Lars Breimer said:

I cannot help you.  According to Wikipedia she is from Coopersburg in PA. She has a better known American team-mate in Frankfurt called Alexandra Krieger.  As far as I can tell the two Lewandowskis are not closely related, but a lot of Poles settled in PA, so anything is possible if you go far enough back.

As I see it, if USA ladies football plays its cards right, it could have the role that the NHL has for (ice)hockey. The NHL acts as a magnet for every young boy who is good at hockey in Europe. Ever since Sterner and then Salming opened the doors for non-North-American players, there has been a steady stream of European players to play in the NHL. Names like Persson and Kallur who helped the Islanders win four Stanley cups and a play a fifth final are legendary as are others with strange names like Loob, Sundin and the Sedin brothers, never to forget Foppa.

Would that the ladies´ soccer world girds itself for the task that lies ahead.  Identify the market. Segment it. Target the most promising segment(s).

-- Just over 1.4M people live in Munich so even if the Olympic stadium is totally sold out, it represents <10% of all women living there and <5% of those old and fit enough to take themselves to the match.

-- The most expensive tickets are 10€ each, the rest 7€, and a family ticket of 2 adults + 2 kids is 20€. 25 USD for a family!

-- It is meant to be a perfect day for football tomorrow and the world´s best two clubs are playing, one of which is from Germany.  

In short, if the Olympic stadium is not full tomorrow, the marketeers have failed and UEFA need to bring another team on board, such as perhaps those that so expertly marketed Gold-Lena.

Richard Murray said:

Well, you have to realize that the club owners and USSoccer and others may look poorly on her because she is successful overseas. I think many want to focus on players developed in the USA, and especially playing for teams in the USA. Abby wambach, hope solo and company all play in the USA. They fear a player like Lewandowski will get people thinking about playing in UEFA and thus strengthening those clubs.

I was thinking a while back but didn't think it mattered, but is Lewandowski related in any way to LEwandowski for dortmund?

Lars Breimer said:

An amusing post-script to this or a prequel to tomorrows final was a headline in one of the German papers that read: "Lewandowski moves to Bayern Munich".  What?!!  He plays for Dortmund, surely, and no-one had heard even a rumour that he was on the move.  It turned out to be Gina Loren Lewandowski, who was moving from Frankfurt to Bayern allegedly.

This young American lady has won the CL, the German Cup and the German Ladies´ Bundesliga with Frankfurt, but not played that much for the USA´s national team.

Permalink Reply by Richard Murray on May 18, 2012 at 18:24

Well, the advertisers will say no. USA demands the biggest revenue in the ad market. BUT, I will say it doesn't matter. Womens soccer in UEFA and Japan and even south america is slowly growing. Japan's success , France's success, and Japan, France and Germany's permanence are more important, those three teams need to do well for the global game.

Ask F1 they finally got a spanish driver and F1 is popular in spain. Successful clubs spread all over is the most important aspect. That is why the men's world cup is beyond the US Mens national team. The world cup in brazil will have from CAF ivory coast and ghana more than likely. AFC will have japan and korea. so top clubs are all over now. the women's game needs that to show more than anything. Positive growth amongst a wide variety of national clubs. Then advertisers will see that many people world wide will be willing to tune in to see their government sides.

Lars Breimer said:

Verily. But, maybe, one of the small fry will upset the apple cart, like North Korea in 1966. A critical question for the future of the game world wide is whether it would be better if USA won or went out early?

Richard Murray said:

In all earnest, Japan, France, and England should be the favorites. Japan is on a high. France probably has the best squad on talent. England are at home and will fight for everything.
It should be good.

Lars Breimer said:

Verily.  It would be good for the game if either France or Gbr (= England) won, Japan next.

Richard Murray said:

Japan france is the matchup. I think France takees it.

Lars Breimer said:

I presume their foreign players likely are looking forward to the Olympics also.  Sweden has a major headache because several of their key defenders and defensive midfielders are injured and not expected to tbe fit for the Olympics.  I predict an early exit for Sweden, probably quarterfinals. Japan-Gbr (ie England) or USA-Gbr would be best because the hometeam is fun to have in a final, but failing that Japan-USA would be OK, though, maybe Japan-France would be even better?

Richard Murray said:

OL feminin has a lot of French players, that is unfair. Franco, Abily, Sommer, Thomis will be out for red card. NEcib might start on the bench. They have depth in non french players which is very important because the french players are looking toward the olympics.

His name is MArkus Juchem a really cool guy

https://twitter.com/#!/UEFAcomMarkusJ

Lars Breimer said:

Indeed.  French teams generally find German teams difficult to play against, though with Lyon being such a foreign legion this may not be an issue. On the other hand, it is fun for FFFC to be the underdogs and they are on, almost, home turf -- though Bayern is Germany´s answer to Texas if you get my drift.

Our next task ought to be to get a thorough discussion thread going about ways to develop the ladies´ game with practical suggestions, but judging by the activity in these pages that may be harder than one would like to think.  That German link you sent is a model of reporting. Do you know who edits and runs it?

Richard Murray said:

we shall see:) I hope it is a big game

Lars Breimer said:

I cannot help you.  According to Wikipedia she is from Coopersburg in PA. She has a better known American team-mate in Frankfurt called Alexandra Krieger.  As far as I can tell the two Lewandowskis are not closely related, but a lot of Poles settled in PA, so anything is possible if you go far enough back.

As I see it, if USA ladies football plays its cards right, it could have the role that the NHL has for (ice)hockey. The NHL acts as a magnet for every young boy who is good at hockey in Europe. Ever since Sterner and then Salming opened the doors for non-North-American players, there has been a steady stream of European players to play in the NHL. Names like Persson and Kallur who helped the Islanders win four Stanley cups and a play a fifth final are legendary as are others with strange names like Loob, Sundin and the Sedin brothers, never to forget Foppa.

Would that the ladies´ soccer world girds itself for the task that lies ahead.  Identify the market. Segment it. Target the most promising segment(s).

-- Just over 1.4M people live in Munich so even if the Olympic stadium is totally sold out, it represents <10% of all women living there and <5% of those old and fit enough to take themselves to the match.

-- The most expensive tickets are 10€ each, the rest 7€, and a family ticket of 2 adults + 2 kids is 20€. 25 USD for a family!

-- It is meant to be a perfect day for football tomorrow and the world´s best two clubs are playing, one of which is from Germany.  

In short, if the Olympic stadium is not full tomorrow, the marketeers have failed and UEFA need to bring another team on board, such as perhaps those that so expertly marketed Gold-Lena.

Richard Murray said:

Well, you have to realize that the club owners and USSoccer and others may look poorly on her because she is successful overseas. I think many want to focus on players developed in the USA, and especially playing for teams in the USA. Abby wambach, hope solo and company all play in the USA. They fear a player like Lewandowski will get people thinking about playing in UEFA and thus strengthening those clubs.

I was thinking a while back but didn't think it mattered, but is Lewandowski related in any way to LEwandowski for dortmund?

Lars Breimer said:

An amusing post-script to this or a prequel to tomorrows final was a headline in one of the German papers that read: "Lewandowski moves to Bayern Munich".  What?!!  He plays for Dortmund, surely, and no-one had heard even a rumour that he was on the move.  It turned out to be Gina Loren Lewandowski, who was moving from Frankfurt to Bayern allegedly.

This young American lady has won the CL, the German Cup and the German Ladies´ Bundesliga with Frankfurt, but not played that much for the USA´s national team.

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