Canada 3-4 USA (AET) - London 2012 Olympic Women's Football, Semi-Final (6th August 2012)

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Permalink Reply by Julia Bic on August 7, 2012 at 20:47

This is a big issue in Canada right now. A press conference is going on as we speak with John Herdman, head coach of Canada. The prime minister of Canada, Harper has even spoke out about this and has said he was devistated watching this game. We just don't want this to happen again, to anyone! This team has been in a training camp for months before this tournament. As, an athlete myself I respect the Canadian team. In my heart they won the gold medal.

Permalink Reply by A-Hamm on August 7, 2012 at 21:02

http://www.stltoday.com/sports/olympics/blogs/canada-s-melissa-tanc...

Permalink Reply by Sylvain on August 7, 2012 at 21:13

That referee was definitely rubbish making wrong calls against both side...

Permalink Reply by Women's Soccer United on August 7, 2012 at 21:34

Thank you for the update Julia, the Canada WNT certainly gave everything they had!

Permalink Reply by Women's Soccer United on August 7, 2012 at 21:44

I missed the Lloyd/Tancredi incident during the match, I will see if any highlights.

Permalink Reply by 2xehxtxemyk65 on August 7, 2012 at 22:39

Because I did not watch the match, I cannot make specfic comments on it, only general.  There seems not to have been anything controversial about the choice of this refereeing team, so the organisers cannot be blamed. Refereeing is an art that depends on players being honest to a greater extent than is realised. Outfield players are from time to time booked for time wasting and a freekick awarded. The same applies to goalies, though the rule is rarely enforced. That a referee be not harrassed into an error of judgement is common courtesy.

    A curious incident happened in an FA cup match that involved Arsenal about 10-15 years ago. Briefly, the opposing team had kicked the ball out of touch so an injured player could be treated. When the ball was put back into play an Arsenal player scored, against the time honoured courtesy of the game. (It was not a referee error.) Wenger, the Arsenal manager, offered to replay the match, which after consultation with the FA was done. Arsenal won the replay. The incidents in the World Cups of 1986 and 2010 might have been put right by the relevant players (or managers) drawing the referee´s (linesman´s) attention to the problem. They chose not to do so.

    It is difficult to see how existing decision making technology can be introduced into a game that ideally has no interruptions except for the ball going outside the lines, including into the goal. This does not mean that FIFA should not experiment with such technology. In tennis Wimbledon introduced the Cyclops system in 1980. It lasted for 26 years, when it was replaced by Hawkeye. How it would have helped the referee in this case is not clear.

    As a curiosity, this site is called Women´s Soccer United, but in the foggy islands of fair-play women in sports are referred to as ladies, as in Arsenal Ladies and Chelsea Ladies, and in USA it is the LPGA not the WPGA for what it is worth.

Gromit said:

Lars, Lars, Lars ! How a human being like you, a well-educated and clever man can betray yourself as you do now ? You kept writing on WSU at the opening of the tournament (first stage matches) that refeering was reallly bad and that the guilty referees should be forbidden from any international competitions ! Have you forgotten your own words ? I even came to tell you that your position was too much excessive because errors are human. Have you forgotten ? Do you think that everybody on WSU is brain-washed or ill with Alzheimer and that you can say something on monday and the reverse on tuesday ? Come on ! And now the refeerees are always right ? Or is it Swedish irony that allows you not to express your own opinion (logic, since you haven't seen the match) but does allow you to say something on the topic any way ?

Lars Breimer said:

I am at a loss. There are two rules in sport:

   Rule 1 -- the referee is always right;  &

   Rule 2 -- should the referee be wrong, rule 1 applies.

England learnt that in 1986 and 2010. There are, possibly, other examples.

  "You can´t be serious!??!" echoes down the halls of fame -- but he was divinely talented ...

Permalink Reply by Gromit on August 7, 2012 at 23:01

@Lars - Yes, I remember this Arsenal match and Wenger's offer. I also remember another one (but not what it was unfortunately, maybe you will), in which a team "accidentaly" scored a goal exactly in the same case than Arsenal's. Then, the scoring team let the opponent scored in turn without any opposition. Does it ring a bell to you or to anybody ?

I agree with all what you say here about refeering. No contest.

The problem with the Canada-Usa match is that it didn't look as "mistakes" which are always unbearable but unfortunately part of the game. Here, too many and too many on the same side. Everybody who watched the match live and was not an unconditionnal US' fan could not help wondering about refeerrees' honesty.

Permalink Reply by David Peak on August 7, 2012 at 23:57

Hi Gromit: In 2007 Leicester City played Nottm Forest in a League Cup tie. Leicester City player Clive Clarke collapsed in the dressing room at half time and the game was abandoned. Forest had scored in the first half.

In the rescheduled fixture the ball was passed from the kickoff to the Forest goalkeeper who waltzed up field with the ball and scored unopposed, thus restoring Forest's advantage at the time the previous game was abandoned. City went on the win 3-2.

I don't know if that's the incident you referred to... but as a Leicester City fan I obviously remember it well.

Permalink Reply by Gromit on August 8, 2012 at 0:05

Yesterday, Canada-USA was broadcast live on France 4. The two commentators - including former PSG's GK Jérôme Alonso who is known for his outspokeness and who was a liitle bit pro-US at the beginning - said several times that they were finding the refeering "rather strange" (I quote). "Rather strange" meaning, according to them, with strange decisions in favour of US's team. And particularly this famous free-kick in the Penalty area (Alonso knows about the topic, he was one of the best French keeper) and the following penalty. Same thing for O'Reilly's assault on the Canadian player and who was not booked . A foul was not even whistled...

I('ve just read Christine Sinclair's words : "

"Obviously, we're disappointed and upset. We felt that the referee took it away from us, so, yes, we are disappointed," Canada captain Sinclair said.
"We feel like we didn't lose, we feel like it was taken from us. It's a shame in a game like that, which is so important, that the ref decided the result before the game started."
Sinclair was furious over the awarding of the penalty.
"She (the referee) actually giggled and said nothing. Classy. In an important match it's a disappointment that the referee had such an impact on it. We feel cheated," she said.

I do hope that Canada will not give up in its protestations because it's Women's Football's credibility that is concerned. Once more - it's very, very important to repeat it again - it's not a question of refeering mistakes. It's something else. Much more serious.

Permalink Reply by Gromit on August 8, 2012 at 0:11

Thanks a lot, David. Maybe that's the case, can't remember. just saw the highlights at the time. It seems to me to be older than 5 years ago but... Time is so strange in its course ! ;o)

Leicester... the genuine Blues ! ;o)

David Peak said:

Hi Gromit: In 2007 Leicester City played Nottm Forest in a League Cup tie. Leicester City player Clive Clarke collapsed in the dressing room at half time and the game was abandoned. Forest had scored in the first half.

In the rescheduled fixture the ball was passed from the kickoff to the Forest goalkeeper who waltzed up field with the ball and scored unopposed, thus restoring Forest's advantage at the time the previous game was abandoned. City went on the win 3-2.

I don't know if that's the incident you referred to... but as a Leicester City fan I obviously remember it well.

Permalink Reply by Julia Bic on August 8, 2012 at 5:17

As of right now, Canada will be fined as you are not allowed to comment on any referees at any FIFA sanctioned event. The real decision is undecided yet if Canada will be able to play in the Bronze game or if/how many players will be suspended. The Canadian Coach, John Herdman and Christina Sinclair have both said their comments came from running emotions after their loss. They have not apologized as I wouldn't but did not mention anything about the referee. All events in that game will be looked into(penalties) but nothing said about the referees, only how they are investigating what was said after the game. Canada is still getting ready for the Bronze game.

Instead of looking into the referee, they're looking into Canada. How funny.

Permalink Reply by 2xehxtxemyk65 on August 8, 2012 at 5:35

The govering bodies of football take critcism of referees most seriously. Last year, the Manchester United manager Sir Alex Ferguson was given a five-match touchline ban and fined £30 000 for criticising a referee. Players as well as other managers have also been subject to censure over the years.

    What is sauce for the goose is sauce for the gander – and vice versa, obviously.

Julia Bic said:

As of right now, Canada will be fined as you are not allowed to comment on any referees at any FIFA sanctioned event. The real decision is undecided yet if Canada will be able to play in the Bronze game or if/how many players will be suspended. The Canadian Coach, John Herdman and Christina Sinclair have both said their comments came from running emotions after their loss. They have not apologized as I wouldn't but did not mention anything about the referee. All events in that game will be looked into(penalties) but nothing said about the referees, only how they are investigating what was said after the game. Canada is still getting ready for the Bronze game.

Instead of looking into the referee, they're looking into Canada. How funny.

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