USA and Germany meet for the second time in four days at 7:30pm ET on Tuesday 23rd October 2012 as part of the US Fan Tribute Tour.


The match will be broadcast live on the NBC Sports Network.


In their first meeting on Saturday, the game ended 1-1 as Anja Mittag cancelled out an early Abby Wambach goal. The exciting fixture was played in front of a sell-out crowd of 19,522 at Toyota Park.


Tonight’s rematch will take place at  Rentschler Field in East Hartford, Conn.


USA Starting Line-up Germany Starting Line-up

Rampone (c),



To be announced


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USA 2-2 Germany (Wambach 44′, Marozsan 48′, 85′, Heath 67′)





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  1. terencefullick 9 years ago

    I think Gromit is just about spot on, I can’t help thinking that the Nadeshiko really miss the power and determination of Sawa, she was their outright leader and example and so far she hasn’t been replaced, it’s almost as if without Sawa, they have lost their belief in winning. Clearly only Ogimi had the fire to match the Germans.

  2. gromit 10 years ago

    First of all, @Jonathan, thank you very much for your long and very interesting answer. I’m happy to say that your posts are always interesting by the way.

    I made myself misunderstood, I think. I never said (just because I don’t mean it and I’m well-known to say what I mean ;o) that “I didn’t wish to see soccer flourish in the USA”. I even wished it success. I said – and I mean it – that for me and on a world level, the success or not of a new Women’s Soccer Professionnal League in Usa is not essential because I believe that the future of Women’s Football is elsewhere than in USA. I may be wrong of course but that’s how I feel the thing. So, if it succeeds, great ! If it fails, too bad but I won’t feel it as a catastrophic thing for Women’s Football. And even for Usa itself, I’m not sure it would be catastrophic since I think that the most important is not the elite but the way the sports (any sports) is massively practiced. And that’s the case and will remain the case in your country, even if a Pro League fails, and this reality (massive practising) is a great, great, great thing, I can’t be more precise about my opinion. But if you think that only the NT is important and that the most important amongst the important things is that USNT is #1 for ever and ever, well, that’s another thing because it’s another approach.

    Women’s Soccer (that is in Usa, I use the word “soccer” only for Usa) has been and still is powerful and helped a lot to the development of women’s football in the world as we know it today. Who could deny it ?

    What bores me, if you want (and you are not personnally concerned here) is the “belief”, “myth”, “legend”, that Women’s football exists mainly because of US Women’s Soccer, just because the blooming of the USNT coincided with the first official international tournaments (won by this USNT). But, as you know, many countries (England, France, Italy, Germany, Sweden, even Russia in pre-bolchevik era !, Chekoslovakia, etc), fought hard and played high quality women’s football during decades. If the game had difficulties (mainly from the 1930’s to the 1960’s), it was because it was prevented to developed and even to exist by National and International Football Associations. When the barriers fell at last and recognition came, thanks to all those hard battles led by women (with many men’s help), at the beginning of the 1970’s, European Women’s Football could re-born but it had to rebuilt the collapsed walls and that needed some time. At the same time, the game really started in Usa and this country was seen as the “inventor” of the game (in its feminine version, and I exaggerate the fact a little , I know ;o).

    You talk about “sour grapes”. No, not at all. It’s only a question of putting the things back in perspective and to think that the foundations of Womens’ Football are more ancient and more solid in Europe than in Usa where it is, after all, a very young game.

    After that, I confess very easily not liking the approach of playing Soccer in Usa with too much importance given to physical impact and I took notice with pleasure that you personally wish to see more subtle and technical play over there. That’s why I like US players like Cheney, Morgan or Heath, and don’t like others like Wambach, Lloyd, Buehler, O’Reilly or Rapinoe. I don’t say they are not good (they are good, of course ! well… I don’t think Buehler is, actually ;o)), I just don’t like their way of playing, that’s all.

  3. jonathan gardner 10 years ago

    Given the post’s that I have read from you here and on BS I am not surprised that you do not wish to see soccer flourish in the USA. I  appreciate your honesty and that you did not say it in a hostile way, however it is of course a hostile sentiment.


    It is true that the USA is not really a football country in the way the rest of the world is. There are many sports here that hold a higher place in the marketplace, American Football, Baseball, Basketball…. MLS is starting to get close to catching Hockey. Like the rest of the world women’s sports struggle in the marketplace. It is strange that both women’s soccer and women’s basketball actually draw larger paying attendances, but the leagues fail (WNBA would surely fail without NBA support). The league attendance for most D1 Feminine teams aside from Lyon are smaller than even W-League teams can draw in the USA. Of course the problem is the same the world over. Men are the major consumer’s of sports entertainment, and they prefer to watch men’s sports. Even though millions of women play various sports in the USA, once they are done playing they don’t become big consumers of sports. And they consume primarily men’s sports.


    You speak of the meaning of “Clubs” in the European or South American mindset. I think you would find that the majority of MLB or NFL fans have exactly the same feeling. They support one team from birth to death, the same team that their father and grandfather supported. When a team is moved from an area such as when the NFL Cleveland Browns were moved to Baltimore, the fans are angry and betrayed. They hated the owner of the team who moved them until the day he died. Of course the owner moved the team because he could not get a stadium built. If a player is traded people will mostly boo that player if he comes back to play his old team in a game. Unless that player is beloved because he was there a very long time, or helped win a championship. If the player choses to leave on his own, then it is always booing.


    In the end I think it is good for women’s soccer if the USA can get a league going and use that league to increase their standard of play. The more strong teams there are the better overall for the game. I personally want to see the USWNT gain more technical players, strong on the ball, short passing, possession, and add that to the strengths we already have. Of course other teams around the world have had to add skills and talents to their toolbox to be able to beat the USWNT.


    But I can tell that you feel any win by the USWNT was illegitimate for basically three reasons. First the USA is not a proper soccer country and therefore doesn’t deserve to win. Second the US Soccer Federation pays it’s players and has too many camps and friendlies, which isn’t fair. Third the USWNT doesn’t play the proper attractive brand of football with appropriate passing and possession. 


    To all of that I say “sour grapes”. I want the USWNT to develop more attributes, but if they can win without them, they should continue to win, not sacrifice everything today to try and play a style of game that they can’t. It isn’t about being pretty. A change in style needs to be taught through player development as new generations of players move into the senior NT. And in the end style’s evolve to defeat the strengths of your opponents and use the strengths of your players. In the future everyone will be more technical and have the ability to possess, but everyone won’t be Barcelona. Expect big strong fast teams to use those abilities to defeat shorter, slower, weaker teams if they can. It is already that way in the men’s game. Barcelona didn’t win the UCL last year, all the passing in the world didn’t help.  The use of camps and friendlies is necessary to work around the disadvantage of not having a league.  Even the leagues we did have did not have a long enough season, which was still a disadvantage. Of course it is hard to have a long season when you compete with American Football, College Football, Basketball, Hockey and Baseball for media attention and fields to play on. Of course the NT camps take players away from a large portion of the season if the season is only 3-4 months.


    Those of us who love the proper form of football are swimming upstream against the rest of the sporting culture in the USA. We can only do what we can to try and make “soccer” and women’s soccer more important in the USA. We have to work around the shortcomings presented to us. The fact that the USWNT has been the most successful program in women’s football is something to be proud of for us. It sure is nice of proper non-American football fans around the world to be rude and look down on those of us in the USA who are trying to grow and support the beautiful world game here.

  4. gromit 10 years ago

    Well… the line displayed so far and preceding the creation of a new pro league is exactly the same than the one which was given at the creation of WPS : prudence, local grass roots approach, lower expectations than with the former WUSA, humbleness, going step by step, etc.
    Really good things indeed but which didn’t work before. The only real new things, as far as I know, are the will to work closer with MSL (not sure it’s a very good idea), and to have the international players being payed  by USFA and then become in some way their employees. At least, on this last point, the hypocrisy of having a full-time USNT functionning like a club without saying it (since today the players officially belong to a club they play for almost never), will be suppressed.

    I disagree with you @Jonathan, when you say that national FA (out of USA) should follow the US model instead of complaining about the over-long US NT’s training camps and see them as “unfair”. You know, it can happen that countries in the World don’t see US system as a systematic model (and not only in Football) ;o) It’s very important to keep the Football alive all the year round everywhere in our countries. That means giving a big priority to the various championships and leagues. For us for instance, Europeans, NT’s are the “windows” of the national football. But the core of it are the clubs. It seems very different in USA and, of course I respect this difference. Nothing is more important for you that the NT. Actually it even seems that the majority of Women’s Soccer US fans don’t really give a damn about the championship. The attendance average for the WPS was just above 3,000. It’s three time what it is in France, right, but Women’s Football is not the first Women’s collective sports in France, far from that. It is in USA. You have more or less 3 millions girls playing Soccer, when there are 60,000 in France. But I’m afraid that in Usa, Women’s Soccer as a “show” (that is out of personal practice) is only interesting as far as it can feed national pride. That is USNT’s success. And I think – it’s my personal opinion – that it is due to a complete lack of club culture, as I already wrote somewhere else on WSU. You don’t really know what is a “Club” in the European or South American meaning. With its history, tradition. You have franchise instead, which are more commercial brands that you can buy and even move from one side of the country to the other, like any corporate. How can you deeply root public’s loyalty to a team in those conditions ? In England, Germany, France, Brazil, Argentina, Spain, Italy, etc., you were born supporting a club and you’ll die supporting this same club, whatever can happen to it. It’s cultural. I think – maybe I’m wrong and then you’ll correct me – that in Usa you support a team according to the players that its owner decide to buy for the two or three next years.

    Of course, I wish big success to this new attempt of creating a Pro League since it is what the players and fans expect. But, to be completely honest, if it fails, I won’t cry or feel desperate because I’m certain that Women’s Football future is clearly not in the Usa but where it was born and reborn, in Europe and also in Asia, Africa and (I hope) in the rest of America.

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